Saturday 12 January 2013

Scotland, independence & the EU

Do we need to look north - way north - to get precedents
for constituent nations being treated differently
than "regions"?
(Pic : Traveljournals.net)
It's probably the biggest stumbling block so far in the SNP's fledgling independence campaign.

There's still some way to go of course, but the issue of Scottish EU membership was muddied recently. Statements from EU Commission President, Juan Manuel Barroso, suggest that Scotland would need to re-apply to become an EU member state, not simply "inherit" the UK's status upon (any eventual) independence.

Perhaps this was said with one eye on Catalonia too, but there's an issue here that needs clearing up by the yes campaign one way or another. And obviously it might affect Wales further down the line.

Precedence for secession within an EU member state


The simply fact of the matter is it's never happened before.

There's a more detailed analysis by former European Court Judge, Sir David Edward QC, at Newsnet Scotland.

I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty whether Scotland (or, perhaps one day, Wales) would/wouldn't automatically accede to the EU. The EU has a track record of "on the fly" working, and it's perhaps one of its greatest strengths. Saying Scotland would have to re-apply is the easiest thing to say, but it might be disingenuous to a certain extent.

If the UK signed the Lisbon Treaty, and an independent Scotland would be subject to all treaties of the "former UK" (as a successor state), then the raw logic suggests that Scotland would automatically be subject to the Lisbon Treaty and become an EU member state.

Instead of negotiating membership, Scotland might actually be in the position of having to negotiate a withdrawal from the EU, or an amendment to the existing ascension treaties.


But, as we all know, logic and politics rarely go hand in hand. It's not as simple as the scenario above.

As pointed out by others, there would likely be a "buffer period" between any 2014 yes vote and a final independence date. The Czech-Slovak "Velvet Divorce" took around five months if you want to set a precedent.

Because the UK is a unitary state, with many functions tied together, for Scotland it might be longer – a year to 18 months would be my guess. That might be enough time for the Scottish Government to go through the process of applying to the EU before becoming fully independent.

Would Scotland be eligible to join the EU?


Eligibility for EU membership is defined by the Copenhagen criteria. It's likely that Scotland - as part of the UK - already meets these criteria, which can be summarised as :
  • Being geographically part of Europe – yes.
  • A functioning liberal democracy with universal suffrage and a secret ballot at all levels of government – yes.
  • Freedom to join trade unions, free press, freedom of speech – yes, perhaps subject to a written Scottish constitution.
  • Rule of law – yes.
  • Respect for Human Rights – yes, as a obligation to continue existing UK commitments.
  • Respect for minorities – yes, but I imagine there would be issues surrounding sectarianism.
  • Functioning market economy – yes, more so than Wales at the moment.
  • Bringing legislation in line with European law – yes, happens already as part of the UK and the devolution settlement.

The only major sticking point is the last one:
  • A commitment to European convergence criteria/ERM and joining the Eurozone (as per the Maastricht Treaty) – unclear. But if Scotland were subject to a continuation of UK treaties and international obligations (as stipulated by international law), they might be able to negotiate their way out of this one. The Scottish Government could also quite easily turn around and say that for any decision to join the euro to be legitimate, it should be subject to a referendum post-independence.

There would also be many specific details needing to be addressed as part of a formal accession process. But I doubt Scotland would have many problems there. I doubt Wales would either, in practice.

The EU and "constituent nations"

Now we have something to work on.

Greenland is an overseas territory of the Kingdom of Denmark, along with the Faroe Islands, and receives subvention from the Danish Government . Its constitutional status could be compared to Scotland and Wales as a "devolved/constituent nation".


Despite having the population of Wrexham spread over a land a third of the size of Australia, Greenland has a modern economy – expanding due to resource exploitation.

For its size, Denmark has a relatively unknown, but brutal colonial past. Suicide and alcoholism rates amongst the native Greenlandic Inuit populations are astronomically high, and their indigenous culture – which includes hunting for food - is under threat from wildlife conservationists. Plus they're on the forefront of climate change. Although the Greenlandic government now has rights over the natural resources (which not even Wales has), it's a Danish colonial remnant and it's mainly foreign companies benefiting.

That doesn't just include oil and gas, but gemstones like rubies (which are culturally important to the Inuit), where Greenlanders are actively marginalised from prospecting for resources under their own feet by government bureaus. Because, and I quote:

"We don't want your sort of people (native Greenlanders) having access to that kind of wealth."

I strongly recommend BBC documentary series, Bruce Parry's Arctic, if you want a better demonstration.There are many ways Wales should seek to emulate Denmark. However, we would do well to remember these uncomfortable truths and learn from it.

But despite being constitutionally part of Denmark, Greenland isn't in the EU. Greenland voted against continued membership of the EU in a 1982 referendum, and has sat outside ever since, though they enjoy some EU benefits as a recognised "overseas territory".

Closer to home, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands - as UK dependencies - enjoy a broadly similar relationship with the EU as Greenland. The same can be said for other overseas territories of the UK, France and the Netherlands. There are also "special statuses" for places like the Åland Islands (Swedish-speaking islands that are an autonomous part of Finland), Gibraltar and various enclaves and exclaves on mainland Europe.

The Lisbon Treaty will have complicated things by, ironically, simplifying everything. However, there's clearly a precedent of the EU treating constituent nations and "territories" differently to a federal state.
The Isle of Man is neither part of the UK or
the EU, despite foreign policy being controlled
by Westminster.
(Pic : mapsofworld.com)

Here's an interesting suggestion - using the Greenlandic precedent, could Scotland and Wales do the opposite? Could Scotland and Wales remain full members of the EU - and the UK - whilst allowing a future eurosceptic England to withdraw or move to a paired-down relationship like Switzerland?

It's incredibly unlikely, because it would cause administrative chaos in Brussels. However, it's something that might have to happen if there were a move toward English devolution to prevent tensions between the Home Nation governments on European policy possibly stirring secessionism (if Scotland votes no). Perhaps this is one reason why there's a quiet reluctance to create an English Parliament in the first place. But it has to be said that all parts of the UK are relatively eurosceptic, just the Scots are less so than the rest.

Imagine an English Parliament. Imagine said parliament with a (whole or partial) system of PR to elect MPs. Which party would stand to gain most from that, and hold considerable sway? - UKIP.

Although they're doing a fine job of blowing themselves up at the moment.

The real threat to Scottish (and Welsh) EU membership


The only tangible threat to Scottish EU membership at the moment is a successful UK withdrawal, whether that's a Boris Johnson mooted "paired down relationship"/associate membership or via an in-out referendum.

If Scotland and Wales want to guarantee EU membership and its benefits - yes that presumably includes Welsh Labour unless they're going to make a massive u-turn - both are going to have to become EU member states in their own right and control their own relationships with the EU.

Unless there's a precedent set by which constituent nations can become full EU members - whilst remaining in their "middleman unions" like Spain and the UK - independence and control of foreign policy is the only way to ensure it.

Until Welsh independence becomes nothing more than a minority interest, we're stuck with whatever the UK Government decides is best for us. Also, I'd like to be less cynical, but Carwyn Jones will probably change his tune on the EU whenever Westminster Labour tell him to. It's above Carwyn's pay grade.

At least Scotland has a chance to not only say yes to full statehood in 2014, but perhaps yes to guaranteed continued EU membership too. A waiting period is just a temporary inconvenience.

5 comments:

  1. Bit of a long and winding post Owen but some many important points. The SNP have tried to just brush off the situation but it hasn't quite gone their way. Nonetheless, I still think the EU simply won't want to lose Scotland, and negotiations will proceed over a year or two before independence kicks in administratively.

    It's clear though that unfortunately the EFA concept internal enlargement isn't actually true. But Scotland will set the precedent for others and it will work put smoothly.

    Another thing to consider is that I don't think the UK will leave because big business generally doesn't want to.

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  2. Thanks, Anon. I agree with your assessment, though I don't think the SNP have quite "brushed it off", they probably don't feel the need to sort these issues out until the campaign begins properly.

    I think it'll probably be Catalonia that sets the precedent though, not Scotland.

    Big business might want to stay in the EU, but swing voters in large chunks of England (and perhaps Wales too) probably don't. Big businesses don't vote. I'm not confident a renegotiation of the UK's place will be smooth either. I think we'll be stuck with the status quo for some time to come.

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  3. I think Catalonia is more likely to vote yes than Scotland, at the moment. In Catalonia there seems to be a much wider spectrum of people who would vote yes, the left, the centre-left, and the centre-right. In Scotland as far as I can see they've only really got the left and about half of the centre-left, then maybe a handful of others. Labour voters aren't coming around in strong enough numbers despite some excellent work by the likes of Nicola Sturgeon. My feeling is that alot of Labour voters in Scotland are hedging their bets on returning a Labour UK Govt in 2015 rather than voting Yes in 2014.

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  4. Isn't there a likelihood of a new treaty in the near future for those countries that want to forge ahead to creating a truly federal Europe? I can't see the UK joining that and it and others would certainly have to negotiate a new looser arangement.

    If I was a Euro fanatic I'd press for an in/out referendum asap, which would probably vote to stay in and then could be used to justify joining this deeper union.

    If Scotland did vote yes to independence, which I think unlikely, then I'm sure that Germany would welcome them in with open arms. The Spaniards might not like it but then beggars can't be choosers.

    Personally I think Wales and Scotland would be far better off in the long term as independent countries outside the EU ...but I've been around long enough to know that ain't going to happen.

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  5. Thanks for the comments.

    Anon 14:27 - I agree that Catalonia is more likely (at the moment). However, I'm not sure Scottish Labour grassroots are entirely against the prospect of independence. The "Labour for Indy" group seems to grow bigger each day, but I'm not sure if that's some sort of entryist ploy by the SNP.

    It would be shortsighted to think that a Labour UK Government post-2015 is going to be radically different from the current government, or that Labour are going to be in government in perpetuity. I think it's almost a certainty, but Ed Miliband has all the hallmarks of a one term wonder. Ted Heath was followed by Jim Callaghan after all and history is repeating itself. Then we all know who came after Jim.

    Anon 13:35 - I think a new treaty will have to happen. It's something I've pointed out on here before. I'd probably describe myself as "eurorealist" - I'm not a federalist, but I do see benefits and disadvantages to Wales being a member and it's in our interests to be at the top tables in our own right and have some influence. Either way, Wales would need to remain part of the European Economic Area at the very least. But if we're going to have free trade, we should want to have a say in the rules too.

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